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Permalink Reply by Capt. Anand Kumar on April 20, 2011 at 7:58pm One cannot but agree with point no. 1, except that it may apply to theosophists too.
Hinduism found Dharma in killing, even the near and dear ones, even those with whom one had no personal issues, through Lord Krsihna's teachings to Prince Arjuna. Yet Gautam Buddha preached Ahimsa. How to reconcile the two positions? When criticizing the Roman Catholic Church, the materialists or the scientists, whose side the theospohists are on - Krishna's or Buddha's?
More than any other thought system, the Theosophists claim to know of the Evolution and the Divine Plan. Do they believe that the current developments in the Genetic Engineering is outside this plan - not approved by the Sanatkumaras of the universe? Is that feasible?
History teaches us that Evolution comes at a price. Certain life-forms are eliminated and others are transformed. This is what Genetic Scientists are doing. If human beings have to exist outside of the limits of the physical bodies someday, then we have to pay the price today in the form of all the horrors that is described.
More than this understanding, I see the political principle of POWERSHIFT at work here. Most of us will happily accept "Miracles", in the form of of a person healing others with touch, materializing or moving objects out of thin air and all other countless starnge phenomena. We may even call these people Divine or Spiritualists. But what scientists are doing is to give this power to the people. And that is why there is so much of opposition to it. Biotechnology is a direct challenge to the concept of a GOD and its AGENTS. It is only natural that those who derive their "Power" from such concepts, oppose it. But can they stop it?
The only alternative for the Theosophists, if they do not change, is to perish. Are they up to it?
Please forgive if the words appear to be too harsh.
Permalink Reply by Joe Fulton on April 20, 2011 at 8:32pm The nature of theosophies lends themselves to being timeless. Therefore the issue has to be one of expression.
The specific theosophy that most of us find common, that of the tradition identified with Blavatsky has become a caricature of the word theosophy, a mish mash of mythologies involving mythical superhuman masters, founders who need protection from enemies and detractors and all kinds of other garbage ideas clinging on to the kernel of divine wisdom.
What we have to get back to is the ideas, their value and their application. More importantly we have to make those our own, not someone elses. When we start doing this the wisdom will become one that we can share, not as a relic of the Victorian world, but as a guide into an uncertain future.
Permalink Reply by Nicholas Weeks on April 20, 2011 at 8:48pm Joe, Do you think "mythical superhuman masters" is a garbage idea? Or that many critics think that is so?
Even if the latter is the meaning, where do you think these "ideas, their value and their application" came from? From those Masters and Their greater Masters and so up the Golden Chain.
The notion of Masters need not be up front all the time or even much, but they cannot be tossed aside by theosophists because they are considered a "garbage idea" by anyone.
Joe Fulton said:
The nature of theosophies lends themselves to being timeless. Therefore the issue has to be one of expression.
The specific theosophy that most of us find common, that of the tradition identified with Blavatsky has become a caricature of the word theosophy, a mish mash of mythologies involving mythical superhuman masters, founders who need protection from enemies and detractors and all kinds of other garbage ideas clinging on to the kernel of divine wisdom.
What we have to get back to is the ideas, their value and their application. More importantly we have to make those our own, not someone elses. When we start doing this the wisdom will become one that we can share, not as a relic of the Victorian world, but as a guide into an uncertain future.

Permalink Reply by Joe Fulton on April 20, 2011 at 11:02pm Yes, Nicholas, for this time, place and circumstance I most certainly do. The whole idea has led to dysfunctional theosophical organizations more obsessed with making contacts with such beings than doing any practical good. It's just another flavor of astral intoxication.
So yes, sorry, but for the effect that the Theosophical mythology (as given in official histories) has perpetuated, it is a garbage idea. We need to concentrate on the ideas and not the esoteric boogeymen. Whoever wrote the 1900 Letter to Besant had it right, "the cant about masters must be quietly but firmly put down." This whole tradition is dying because of an obsession with the HPB / Masters mythology. This is a different issue than taking the highest wisdom that has been given to us by the wise ones of all ages and encouraging people to apply it to their lives and this world for the betterment of all.
In short, I am opposed to theosophical fundamentalism in any form. The tradition of the "save the poor HPB, Judge, etc." is plain crazy and there is no other, better way of putting it. We have people here who are making a difference today, combining the highest wisdom and following their own lights without the reliance on masters, imaginary or otherwise. They are doing the right things for their own sakes, which is the highest calling of all, otherwise known as "Service to that Supreme Spirit alone".
It is time to get out of this Victorian rabbit h*** and join the rest of us in the 21st Century.

Permalink Reply by Capt. Anand Kumar on April 21, 2011 at 12:44am
Permalink Reply by Martin Euser on April 21, 2011 at 2:36am
Captain Anand wrote: "Hinduism found Dharma in killing, even the near and dear ones, even those with whom one had no personal issues, through Lord Krsihna's teachings to Prince Arjuna."
This is the literal interpretation of the story, to which I do not adhere. I take the story as symbolical of the struggle between the spiritual side (Krishna - Higher Self) and the selfish elements - his own thoughts: family indeed- in Arjuna (the type of the human personality). The selfish elements have to be rooted out. One has to do one's duty and especially follow one's dharma or inner pattern. That's the symbolical meaning of the Bhagavad Gita. No contradiction with Gautama Buddha here!
I beg to differ with you on the other points too.
"But what scientists are doing is to give this power to the people"
Really? More often than not, power is given to multinationals who try to force-feed their products through the throats of the people through endless advertising, etc. I hope you do remember my remark on the selling of genetically modified seeds to the Indian farmers and the disastrous consequences of that?
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