The OccupyWallSt movement: The general moment of enlightement?

[EstrellaFugaz]

Hi. As the movements in New York, and in some other parts of the world are starting to hook up, I was wondering how people like Theosophists are understanding it. It all started in MidOrient, in Egypt, the center of all different esoteric beliefs, and also religous points of view; then, it spread to Spain, also a nest of all Hispanic heritage, and also a small center of esoteric and occult knowledge; and now, spreaded to some other parts of America like Chile, and of course, why not, United States.

 

#OccupyWallSt can be the beggining of the start of the mother of ALL revolutions. Like one man here says: "La Revolucion de las Conciencias" (The Revolution of the Conscience) that's it, in brief words, the start of a GLOBAL revolution, not one of the bullets and old timer relict ideologies, but a more PROFOUND set of toughts, feelings; not ONLY a revolution, as everyone thinks, against a "Big Brother" of the economy, the big bucks, the global 'hierarchy'; but, a revolution of the TOUGHT. of the MIND.

 

We have been slaves of our own mind, of a set of old rubish ideas, imposed by a small minority. Now it is a chance to change this once and for all. for GOOD.

 

Now it is THE CHANCE. OUR CHANCE.

 

Don't you think?

 

I waos wondering what the fellow Theosophists here think about this subject...

 

cheers, regards and a hug from the global , our global hyperspace...

[EstrellaFugaz]

Yes, agree with Kaptain Kumar at these points.

 

Cheers.

:-)

 

 

Capt. Anand Kumar said:

Thank You Michael. Your questions are pertinent.

The chief question that I asked myself was why did the people not protest 5 or 10 years earlier. The answer is self evident - they were not suffering economically. It is only when they are affected directly that these protests are becoming evident. So, the solution should be easy, give economic prosperity to the people and they will forget about the protest. However, that is easier said than done. If it was possible to do within the existing framework, governments worldwide would have done it already.

The greed of the few brought about this economic crisis world wide. But were we, the ordinary people not part of that greed? Did we not enjoy our artificail prosperity built on the same greed? If we are coming to the streets now to protest, I hope it will dawn on some of us that any greed based system is bound to lead to such situations and therefore more equitable distribution of available resources must be considered. This realisation by the common people is what gives me hope.

Currently the protests in the US are spontaneous reaction but eventually a leadership will emerge with an agenda. The same process happened in India, where such spontaneous protests eventually brought to the fore a 74 years old man Anna Hazare who fasted for 13 days to build up the mass movement against corruption.  He and his core team is currently under severe attack from politicians and the mass media but the attackers know that they are fighting a losing battle and eventually will have to give in. I am sure similar attempts to divert the public attention from the main issues will take place in the US too.

The fact that we, from different continents and backgrounds are discussing this topic in a theosophical forum, itself is a pointer that a shift towards spirituality has begun. The process may be slow, be reversed inetrmittently and take several decades to fully establish itself, but it is there.

[EstrellaFugaz]

Yes, pretty sure is not a coincidence. Maybe the masters (WHO's behind Assange, anyway? never wondered that?) are aware of that.... :O

Capt. Anand Kumar said:

Besides Rome, there have been protests in other European cities as well, Vienna, berlin, Zurich to name a few. People are chanting "We are the 99 percent" and "We will not bail you out again". Think of the riots in England this summer and some reports mentioning riots in China too.

 

Is there a connection or is it just spontaneous and temporary?

[EstrellaFugaz]

Yep, that's what's missing...

Cheers

 

Joe Fulton said:

What amazes me, Michael, at least in this forum is the lack of tying together spiritual concepts with current action.

For example, the most important concept in esoteric study is that of order.  We live in an existence that, at its root is orderly, and that as a result our actions should be based in harmony with this order.  Part of this concept of order is that of heirarchy, and that we all have our places in the larger scheme of existence, and that this means that we have rights and responsibilities that are dictated by our place in the hierarchy of being. 

In this sense, it seems that 'older' theosophist types, such as HPB was nearly silent, while later commentators, such as Alice Bailey said a great deal and went a long way towards openly promoting structures that they felt would alleviate pain and suffering.

We really need to look at this whole thing in the sense of a spiritual situation.  On our Facebook group, a poster expressed:

"As the high priests of present civilization (bankers and money investors) worry about their own papers, the planet undergoes its changes, and more citizens begin to awaken to a planetary ethics and consciousness."

Well said.

Your thoughts, anyone?

[EstrellaFugaz]

The 'priests' are gonna be left behind.... u.u sorry soo sorry...

 

The Cenit is really the Nadir.

 

Cheers Joe. good point. :-)

 

 

Joe Fulton said:

We really need to look at this whole thing in the sense of a spiritual situation.  On our Facebook group, a poster expressed:

"As the high priests of present civilization (bankers and money investors) worry about their own papers, the planet undergoes its changes, and more citizens begin to awaken to a planetary ethics and consciousness."

Well said.

Your thoughts, anyone?

[Cecelia Furman]

There is so much going on in this thread, just as there is so much going on at the 'occupy' sites, and it is wonderful to read/see it all.  It is especially good that there have not been 'demands' as yet because this indicates that groups are sifting through many and varied concerns, reviewing and considering all ideas as they arise or as they are presented. This is evolution in action, happening simultaneously, in many different communities with an amazing spirit of inclusion. But religion tends to divide and talk of spiritual concerns sounds like talk of religion. It seems to me that this is why we aren't hearing more of the philosophic side of this and perhaps this recognizes a sensitivity to diversity of belief rather than an omission of spirit, a way to maintain peace among the gatherers.

And it has been peaceful- until last night when the 'Kent State' -predicted earlier in this discussion- occurred in Oakland,Ca.  A young man (24 yrs) suffered a head injury from an apparent assault by Police.  There is a big difference between the way the crowd has been handled in Oakland and in, for example, Albany, NY.  In Albany the administration views the gathering as a group of citizens using their voice.  The Oakland administration obviously views the crowd as 'other', as a an oppositional force to be crushed. 

 

This maybe a turning point.  In Albany there continues to be peace; Oakland faces a crowd more determined than ever to express themselves and their sorrow with vigils and in gathering for further protest. Will shadow elements turn them toward reactionary violence? Or will 'better natures' prevail?

[Arthur E Gregory]

I am waiting for or would like to see a more internally disciplined rank and file similar to what was seen in the Satyagraha movement in India... there needs to be a commitment to nonviolent principles such as not insulting or deriding people thus polarizing them and causing greater likelihood for violence.  A demonstration needs to have cohesion as to the message without hostility and vehemence.

[Joe Fulton]

Now that would be an interesting development!

Joe

[Joe Fulton]

My wife and I have decided to pull all of our bank accounts out of the major bank that we have them  in now and move them all to a local credit union.

Will that action make a difference.  I don't know but I sure hope like mad that there are lines all the way to the Highway Patrol office when we go to the Credit Union to deposit our funds.

If you can, do so.  It's horribly inconvenient, but that is not the point.  All it takes is a few people with a firm commitment and the rest may follow.

[Arthur E Gregory]

I've been dealing with credit unions for quite awhile now.. The only thing is some seem more able to serve than others. I was trying to set up a trust and one C.U. I'd been doing business with wasn't able to really respond to our needs but another one was no problem. so it depends.. The interest rates are usually lower on loans. But again they can vary in their actual services.  The one we deal with is very personable and helpful.. The other was standoffish and impersonal. 

I've also decided I'm only going to deal with businesses that are more personable..Auto dealers, dentists, markets ..you name it..if they don't give a hoot about me I could care less..I go where the service is.

[Joe Fulton]

It would be a much better place if all business were truly mindful of these things.