To throw AAB works in with the teachings of Benjamin Crème, Charles Leadbeater and Annie Besant simply demonstrate that the student has not done the necessary research. Putting aside their many distortions and theosophical oversimplifications that Leadbeater and Besant perpetuated they are simply entry level teachings. AAB and HPB speaks to those who are ready for true discipleship training, HPB created a broad panorama of esoteric wisdom and AAB extended that work giving techniques in individual and group meditation, visualization and alignment that will speed up and facilitate spiritual growth.
I appreciate the sevice work that B Creme has done and have known many good people in his many organizations. Unfortunately he has thrown the idea of the Reapareance of the Christ into a place of oversimplification and outright mockery.
To Duane, James and Ferran:
Please keep in mind that this site does not exist to determine the relative merits of Bailey, Creme, Blavatsky, or anyone else for that matter. We are here to understand how others have engaged in theosophic states, what we can learn from them and apply to the world around us.
In that sense it is appropriate to ask what approaches these individuals advocate to help us in theosophical practice, that is by way of aiding with the development of our imagination, and drawing the connections between us and the divine. Ultimately the work is ours to do and no one else's. Even in the best circumstances teachers only point the way, they cannot do what is ours to do.
Also, if anyone is advocating a set of dogmas and doctrines and not speaking to our inner experience then there is no theosophy present.*
* See the six conditions of Esotericism and the three conditions of Theosophy in our FAQ for guidance.
Please keep in mind that people engage with this web for a variety of reasons. None of us can say what are others here for.
I am sorry, I disagree with the six and three conditions so I cannot take them as a guidance.
Yes, mr. Creme is guilty of some failed prophesies... but he has hit the target on some others.
James, it not a mix, space brothers will be able to show themselves openly when we show brotherhood in our humanity, in our way of life.
Duane, what seems unfortunate for someone may be a blessing for another.
What I can say is quite simple: my own experience confirms me that Maitreya, whom I call simply "the gentle teacher", is here. He is making his presence publicy known very slowly and carefully because he does know how difficult is to deal with people.
Really, all we want to make sure of here is that this discussion doesn't turn into one of those shouting matches about whose master is more authentic, or otherwise better that has played out repeatedly on other Theosophy sites, always with the same, unhappy result. Uncivil is always outside our framework.
First off "full moon" meditation is neither wise nor advisable. A moon is a dead orb and meditating while at full force is foolish.
As for Bailey - I read her, for Creme not on your life...
just my two cents.
I'm nowhere near as seasoned a student of any of the writers mentioned in this discussion as others who have chimed in so far. Just want to get that out there on the table. But there's a reason for that, too, which is relevant to what I'm about to contribute:
I can in no way verify for certain the existence of the Masters--certainly it can't be proven in a scientific way, and on a personal level, I have never had an experience that seems to verify their existence to me. This is probably true for most people studying these materials, and others in this same position are left with three options when interpreting these texts:
I start from this point because the existence of the Masters is crucial to everything else that may follow and it doesn't look like many who have taken part in this discussion have any doubt about the matter. If they don't really exist, then it doesn't much matter if AAB's take on their message contradicts Blavatsky's, does it? Then there's no need for the bulk of the debate that has taken place here.
I personally fall into the third category--I'm kind of fascinated by the idea of them, and while I haven't had any experiences that verify their existence specifically, I have had experiences that suggest to me that there are realms of Being beyond the physical and that those realms are inhabited by conscious entities. Coming from that viewpoint, though, the Masters could in actuality be just about anything. There's too much interesting stuff going on in the world to be certain. For just one example, I look to UFO phenomena and wonder where that all fits into the picture. What do the Masters think or know about that? What if the Masters are really some manifestation of that? Even if they do exist, how do we know they're really human like they say they are? How can we, from our limited point of reference, know anything for sure about them?
Maybe some of my ideas sound wacky, that's okay, I can take the heat--and I can see by how touchy everyone in this discussion is getting about the minutest details of which Master said what, that the suggestion that they could be aliens might be seen as ridiculous at best and downright offensive at worst. So be it, and if people are so entrenched in their beliefs about the Masters, they can have the whole thing all to themselves as far as I'm concerned.
I just think that getting so invested in the details, in the particulars about these issues can easily cause one to miss the big picture, and prevent one from absorbing what are probably the most important points contained in all those books--the points that are true regardless of whether it was Koot Hoomi or DK or Alice Bailey's personality projected upon DK's impressions, etc.....
Look at the messages, assimilate what rings true to you, and most importantly, take from them all that which can be used to actually make this world a better place, and then move on in life and use it to help keep humanity from killing itself off along with half the biosphere. That seems more relevant in this age than getting so tied up in who said what and whether or not it agreed with the others.
I liked your comment. :-) Yes, both HPB and AAB wrote that the big picture is much more important than the details and yes!!! practical use is the key issue. Practice is what offers a chance to verify or to prove false.